“Democracy and justice are sick, at the end of their course,” said Allen Jakubovich, a lawyer for Nordhall Lelandis.

A wise head, a voice that carries. And the impeccable speech of a palace tenor, who pours out fiery rebellion and unexpected tenderness.

Maître Alain Jakubowicz, the honorary president of “Jaku”, Licra for his close ones, flirted with the 70-year-old – including 45 times – but kept turning from trial to trial, becoming one in each case for which he made a point of honor. Lawyers registered at Leon’s bar are famous, among other things, for protecting the Jewish community in France during the trials of Barbie, Paul Tuvier and Maurice Papon, or for the families of those killed in the trial. Mont Blanc Tunnel Crash.

Last January and February, he defended Nordhall Lelandis, who was charged with the murder of minor Myles. Was it defending Anirban as the theme of the Nice conference at the invitation of Bar President Adrian Verrier? “Jaku” could talk about it for hours. This is one of the topics developed in his book “I Don’t Win I Learn” (1).

You said in the past that you can’t protect people who would harm children and you were a lawyer for Lelandis …

I couldn’t do anything at the age of 25 or 30. In my book, I have told how, faced with such problems, I said, and I am critical enough today, that I will never defend anyone accused of working against children. I said it, it’s clear, and I got caught …

This red line is lost, what has changed?

The red line is not immutable, the age of the lawyer … When I said, I was a young lawyer and a young father. I was confronted with such a dramatic file. And when I got home, like all fathers, I was bathing my daughters and I found myself stuck! I had a brain block because I saw again pictures of horrible pedophiles attacking the integrity of these little victims. I could not. Forgive me this picture, but it’s been a long time since I’ve bathed my girls …

So what is your new red line, if you have one?

We see very well these wonderful colleagues in the current Paris attack trial, often young people elsewhere, who protect these terrorists. I will not do it. Also, I can tell you, I don’t know if it’s a scoop, one of the defendants in the November 13 trial contacted me. He told me to protect him and I refused. Terror is my red line. But, fortunately, there are wonderful lawyers who must have another red line, who probably would not have defended Nordhall Lelandis, who defended such an accused. And that’s good. I don’t teach, so I sometimes have a hard time admitting that people are trying to teach me.

You, too, a committed citizen, have recently expressed a great displeasure with the RMC: if one of the two voters goes to the polls, the ballot must be canceled. Persuasion?

Of course, I am a persuader. But, I really have a problem with democracy! I was lucky to be a baby boomer, I belong to a generation where everything was easy. We had a semi-Greek view of democracy: democracy is the practice of government by the people. So what is an elected parliament with less than 50% voters? I think democracy is no more without voters. It is not dictatorship, but it is no longer democracy.

And you remember this sentence from Camus: “Beware, when a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bed but it does not hear from it”, Is it serious?

When we talk about fascism, it’s true that it’s a mid-twentieth-century Kamus version. You need to know how to update such things. I think it is essential to keep the question of the functioning of our democracy on the bench. What is democracy today? False news, provocation, insults, insults, is it in the place of the President of the Republic who denies any democratic debate? We have fallen into the trap of French-style Trumpism. It is up to us to pick the guardians of the baby boomers temple, to monitor. If there’s one thing I agree with Mr. Melenchon, and honestly not many yet, is that our democracy is sick, it’s at the end of his course.

Sick from what?

We can no longer argue on the basis of a constitution that was drafted at a time when we did not vote in the mail, when there was no social network … All of this needs to be completely immutable and up to date. We have a real problem: if our fellow citizens now throw themselves into the arms of extremists, 50% if we count the extreme right and the extreme left, there is a reason. It’s not 50% fathos! Like everyone else I believed it before, at the beginning of the National Front, I thought like Bernard Tapie that Jean-Marie Le Pen was a bastard and those who voted for him were bastards. But that’s not it anymore, it’s people who can’t finish, who don’t get enough gas, who overdry on the 7th or 10th of the month. Well, I understand them. On the other hand, I understand less that politicians have gone on the wave with promises that we know very well that will be completely unfulfilled and will be the exact opposite of what they have announced.

Sick democracy, is it contagious on justice?

But of course! And even more so than anywhere else. I am also going to introduce a system against the state, a step towards state liability: I am currently getting the fixing for the application in 2026 which is already closed for one year! It will take four years in which nothing will happen and the magistrates will explain to us that they cannot do otherwise, they are out of breath! Yes our justice is sick, I actually blame the political world, I blame the keeper of our seals.

Eric Dupund-Moretti, who’s one of you, isn’t it?

I’m not going to start here to judge Eric Dupund-Moretti, there are enough people for me to do it. For me, he was a colleague, he was an immeasurable colleague whom I obviously rubbed on my shoulder a lot. But, in my opinion, he is not the Minister of Justice, he is the Minister of Criminal Justice.

Politicians in general, and it is not necessarily his fault, focus all “politics-judgment” on public opinion on criminal justice. But what does it represent in terms of daily justice, family matters, rent, extra debt, etc.? All this, no one talks. We need a real martial plan for justice. Three essential pillars of democracy: education, health and justice. But justice is the weak relation of the Tripitich of this republic.

1. “Either I win or I learn – from Klaus Barbie to Nordhall Lelandis,” says the lawyer.

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